I told him about few things we do. Maybe some of you could add to this at:
http://www.jamaat.net/jforum/viewtopic.php?p=4682#4682
I think it'd be good for someone else to talk to him, please? thanx!
Madame Quixote
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A JW wants to know where we go when we leave the society
by Madame Quixote ini told him about few things we do.
maybe some of you could add to this at: .
http://www.jamaat.net/jforum/viewtopic.php?p=4682#4682 .
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There's something happening here.
by nicolaou inhey watchtower!
can you feel it?
that cold, hard knot in your stomach?
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What's that sound? sound? Last rasping breaths . . .What's that smell? That smell, ooo, ooo, that smell . . . a rotting corpse not quite dead, not quite alive . . . . . oo, oo, that smell.
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Serious Question: Spanking
by i am a good soul inive never been punished like that i my home.
my family always talked to me and we would decide a non-physical punishment.
i was wandering, is still common for jw family to spank their children and if so, does the spanking continue into their late teens, even adults.
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Yeah. They do still practice that shit. My very active JW sis has 3 boys. I haven't been around them in quite some time because I can't stand her threatening, coercive, bullying (and intermitten dissociative behavior also known as "zoning out," symptomatic of past abuse and/or borderline personality disorder!). If it's reported to authorities, they put on their "good Christian" hats and I become a great apostate "trouble-maker."
The JW grandparents still do the same old shit, too, and believe it or not, sister constantly fights with my mom over such "discipline," while she repeats the same exact lousy parenting "techniques" that were acted out on us: demanding silence and perfect behaviour at meetings and field service, favortism, unfavorable comparison, threats, spankings, zoning out and improperly supervising the kids. (My sister and I got our stomachs pumped out a lot). It's absoulutely crazy-making for me. And sister's worried about the negative impact I might have on her kids (as an apostate). Crazy bitch, she is, just like our mom.
And the JW policies just reinforce all this: "spare the rod and spoil the child." Very unrealistic expectations most JWs have for their kids are enforced often violently. And that's a fact, jack. There are some who are more, and some who are less abusive than my own family, of course. I've seen it many times. As a teenager, shortly after I was disfellowshipped, I remember an elder in the congregation visiting our house and relating to my family how his youngest son, Jason, made the grave mistake of eating a birthday cake at a school party; even though Jason did not participate in the party, he was "whipped real good." G@ddd@mn jerks!
BTW, Jason eventually became a JW pioneer and elder. I'd bet money he treats his kids the same. Very sad. -
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SoSoSad
by Madame Quixote ini feel that nothing i say or do will ever make a difference for them or for others.
they are so locked into, so imprisoned in their marriage to the wbts.
they may never hear or see any real truth about the borg, no matter what i say and do, i know this every day; but some days it just hits me so hard.
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I feel so blue about my family today. I feel that nothing I say or do will ever make a difference for them or for others. They are so locked into, so imprisoned in their marriage to the WBTS. They may never hear or see any real truth about the borg, no matter what I say and do, I know this every day; but some days it just hits me so hard. When I think about my 3 little nephews growing up in all the same abusive bullshit,with crazy parents who appear to be normal, it just slaughters me.
I guess I just need to cry for today; it seems that's all there is to do for now. I don't know what else to do.
I know all the truth I can take about the bullshit JW organization, and I don't think my family will ever listen to me.
Even sometimes, it seems that, my non-jw relatives don't really "get it" - that it's a cult, I mean. Every now and then, one of them suggests that I should "go back" and pretend.
When people say such things, it is clear to me that they either don't know or don't understand their own parents and siblings belong to a real, live cult, where you can't just "pretend" to belong.
I guess they're in denial about other things too. They grew up with an alcoholic father and a mother who "buried her head in the sand" about everything, (according to my mom). Then they both eventually joined the JWs, the ultimate homage to "burying one's head in the sand." God. When will it end? What generation lets that go for good, I wonder? I just feel so sad, but a little better since writing this out.
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March 15, 2006 - Imbecility Perfected
by daniel-p in"choosing a type of work that promotes what is directly condemned in the bible is definitey wrong.
so true christians do not accept jobs that may involve idolatry, stealing, [etc]...." - g06 3/15 p.24 pa.11 .
"what if the work itself does not specifically violate any divine requirement?
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Merfi - Welcome to the boards and congratulations on getting your blood card shredded. It ought to be called the blood of the lambs card, for all the people who die as a result of refusing blood transfusions.
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Bethel Police pulled me over for a violation
by What-A-Coincidence inwearing faded jeans only as a bethelite is a cause for concern for the governing body.
i had jeans that were not totally faded as the "world" would consider them.
so one freaken' weekend as i passed by a wt building, a tightwod bethel elder (now just an elder) asked me how i was doing (bla bla bla).
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You shoulda' given 'em the "red eye."
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Is shunning getting more intense - visited non-jw relative at jw compound
by Madame Quixote inmy jw family, with whom i no longer attempt any sort of contact, lives about 20 miles away and have their own little riverfront "compound" of sorts - several adjoining properties owned almost exclusively by jws, with some rentals to various "interested ones.
" i think the renters usually move away when they become disinterested and none have fully converted to the jws yet, lol!
i guess spending a year or so around my jw family innoculates them with some sort of cult immunity.
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My auntie's leaving tomorrow a.m. and I thought it would be nice to try a visit tonight, bring food or parting gifts and play a game of Scrabble or something. It didn't work out though, because my jw family were coming straight back from KH meeting to spend time with her (or just to spy on and hog up my grandma and aunt).
I drove 45 minutes in the rain to drop some little gifts off to my grandma and aunt. My jw sis was there, staying home from the meeting so she could visit my aunt (and keep tabs (spy) on my grandma, probably). When I first came in, my sis casually walked away to hide out in the kitchen until I left (and to pretend she wasn't shunning me because my aunt was there). She came back out as I was leaving and then followed me out to the front porch to have one of her private little "stern discussions" (about how much inconveninece I'm causing them, or to preach or some such thing), as usual, per my visits. After 25 years, I know the routine. Guess what? I finally figured out that I'm the one who doesn't have time for that, so I just left. "Sorry, it's late, my daughter's waiting, I've got to go, I'll call."
Then I immediately called her from the car so she would have to talk to me on phone in front of my aunt rather than privately, as she attempted. It's obvious that she (and the rest of the jw family) know it's stupid and/or embarrasses them to have to shun me or to discuss it in front of normal, sensible people (aka "worldly ones").
Of course, in our phone conversation, she didn't touch on disfellowshipping and mentioned we could talk about the "other things" later. Fat chance; I'm no longer discussing it - Jehovah's Witness crap - with any one of them for any reason. If they bring it up, I'm busy, in a hurry, have other things to do - the same way they always have had other things to do when I wanted to talk with them about something actually meaningful or important; or when I chose to question their behaviour and attitudes. They sure can dish some shit out, but they can't take it, can they? No, gotta go hide in the kithcen or go chase the apostate onto the front porch to count some secret little field service time!
Anyway, I felt good about driving up to say good bye and to thank my grandma for her kindness in letting me visit. I know it causes her harassment from all sides; but, she says she doesn't agree with it (disfellowshipping), so I'm not going to worry about it. If they dis her for it though, I'll be doing more than embarassing them over it.
I think it's time for me to start my apostate mailing campaign. The time is ripe for causing dissent (also known as free thought). The smarmy little apostate rubs her hands vigorously together and grins evilly. -
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Is shunning getting more intense - visited non-jw relative at jw compound
by Madame Quixote inmy jw family, with whom i no longer attempt any sort of contact, lives about 20 miles away and have their own little riverfront "compound" of sorts - several adjoining properties owned almost exclusively by jws, with some rentals to various "interested ones.
" i think the renters usually move away when they become disinterested and none have fully converted to the jws yet, lol!
i guess spending a year or so around my jw family innoculates them with some sort of cult immunity.
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Thanks, all for the feedback. I agree, Finally Free. They make such a damn big stink about all their rights to free expression - knocking on doors, refusing to salute flag, refusing to defend their own rights in wartime and expecting all the worldly lawyers and other "sinners" to do it for them (defend and protect them in every way), etc., but they don't do much to defend or protect others, unless it happens to be coincidentally.
Most of them won't even go to college to learn how to defend themselves as lawyers, or advance in the business world, or take a class to learn how to defend themselves (because it might take them away from their false ministry). And they're demanding the right to practice a stupid cult religion that actively damages others and that stunts the development of their children and families - shunning their own relatives, denying each other important medical care and advanced education, calling themselves full of love. They're full of something else and it ain't love.
Most of them care little about anything beyond promoting their so-called faith. Many can't even be bothered with doing even simple things like re-cycling or donating to the needy (other than other jws). They do nothing for anyone except themselves and protect jws who don't deserve protection - child molesters, for instance. What I have observed is that they are easily the most narcissistic, self-protecting group I've ever come across. They demand everything of the outside world and do the barest minimum to get by in the world, doing little or nothing to contribute to the well-being of the outside community because the only community that matters to them is their own little dying clique. -
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I Finally Spilt it to My Mother--PART 2
by Confession ina number of you read how, last week, i finally told my mother everything about no longer attending meetings.
for those who want to read of it, go here... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/18/109852/1.ashx.
follow-up: both my daughter and i received letters from her.
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" . . . It will take 1000 years for Jehovah's people to get to perfection . . ."
Only 1000 years? Hmmm . . . Given their history (and the history of the world), don't you think 1000 years is overly optimistic, if not arrogant?
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Is shunning getting more intense - visited non-jw relative at jw compound
by Madame Quixote inmy jw family, with whom i no longer attempt any sort of contact, lives about 20 miles away and have their own little riverfront "compound" of sorts - several adjoining properties owned almost exclusively by jws, with some rentals to various "interested ones.
" i think the renters usually move away when they become disinterested and none have fully converted to the jws yet, lol!
i guess spending a year or so around my jw family innoculates them with some sort of cult immunity.
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They make it tough. BTW, I did not put the bumper sticker on the car because I planned to visit my family. I put it on some weeks ago, before the visit was known to me; however, I did not intend to remove it, nor to make an issue of it. After all, it's my car. I think they labelled me apostate years ago, anyway, because of my political activism. It's really their problem, anyway. If they don't like the "apostate" news, they don't have to look it up; I won't try to prevent them from remaining ignorant. But I won't stop warning others about the borg because they want to show their asses and be all intense about disfellowshipping. Like I said, I won't play by their rules anymore. The non-jw family will have to visit me if they want to see me, not the other way around.